this is what roe racing said.....

i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????


That is a real funny thing since my 2wd HEMI ran 14.7 in the 1/4 when it was 70+ degrees out and my fat ass in the driver seat.

I could only assume he was talking about Quad Cab 2WD HEMI's becuase then he is about right as far as times go.


But from the looks of it, it seems he is talking about quad cab SRT-10 Rams. 6packattack ran a 14.01 with his.

As HEMI 777 :p would say, someone is smoking crack.

Site :cool:

i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

Might want to read this thread

http://www.srt10forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750

i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

That guy is definitely full of ****! I had mine dynoed a couple weeks after I bought the black beast and put down 412 at the rear wheels! Not awesome but definitely better than 380! At the track, stock again I ran a 14.1, once again not awesome, but I am brand new to this ****! If he is talking about the quad cab, I don't know, but I can't imagine that everyone else is wrong and he is right!! Just my 2 cents. :mad:

In defense of Roe, they're right on target with my bone stock dyno runs (which they have a copy of). As I'm sure a lot of you are aware, there are large discrepancies between mustang dyno's and dynojets. My stock dyno'd rc (on a dynojet) was right around 380's horse and torque. Additionally after every individual modification (no matter how small the mod), I did a min. of 2-3 more dyno runs. I'll scan and post my dyno runs later tonight. I've been up to Roe a few times, and talk to them every couple weeks. I've got their VEC2 (and love it), used their borla xr-1 muffler's and 02 sims as well. Just waiting for their supercharger. Who exactly did you speak to at Roe? I've never once had them mention any quarter mile times, never mind tell me anything but truthful.

I HIGHLY recommend Roe Racing, nothing but great service (which seems to be hard to come by). Ask for Dave, he'll shoot you straight.

Eric

Side note, are you talking SAE, flywheel, corrected due to environmental variables(ambient air temperature, ventilation, humidity). Big huge fan blowing at intake. Back to back runs with no heat dissipation. Lot's of variables to take into account.

Eric

Thats interesting i ran my 04 ram srt-10 on a DYNOJET 4 days ago and made 432rwh and 480 rwtorque truck has k&n cai on it with no other bolt ons plus truck just turned 1k mile. Sombody's way off here's a copy of my dyno sheet also

I hate to hear that. It doesn't shine a good light on them. The "impossible" and "lying" parts that is.

all im saying is that 15.5 is what he said roe has done and can not do any better than. I honestly felt that he (or the company) was trying to make all the numbers lower and the 1/4 slower so the improvements from the vec2 and other mods seem like they really are better than they are.
my questions to him where these:
-can the vec2, intake, headers, and exhaust get me in the 12's?
his reply: our(roe racing) can at best get the ram srt10 to run 15.5 on the stock 1/4 mile. he said anyone who says they are stock in the 13's is lying.
-so what you are saying is that the lightning is much faster than the srt 10?
his reply: basicly said it is, but if the driver of the L was no good, then maybe the srt10 would have a chance.
-I asked if it was possbile to get the hp to 470 hp with only bolt on's?
his reply: not a chance! the engine can at best do 380 stock.... so maybe reaching 400 with bolt on's would be more like it.
-I also told him that i was considering a sc for my truck, but the only reason i haven't done it yet is that i am not sure i want to put my powertrain warrenty in question....
his reply: he said don't worry, a sc will not ever void the warrenty...
my reply: I know for a fact that if the engine blows up and it was caused by the sc that my factory warrenty would not pay for it......
his reply: well we know dealerships that won't tell dodge you have that on your truck...
my reply: I thought you said it didn't void the warrenty.... so what would be the reason in hiding a sc from dodge?
his reply: well................... ( and then he changed the conversation)

(i edited some of this message b.c i don't want to appear to be hurting the company... i just want feedback from the conversation.)

all im saying is that 15.5 is what he said roe has done and can not do any better than. I honestly felt that he (or the company) was trying to make all the numbers lower and the 1/4 slower so the improvements from the vec2 and other mods seem like they really are better than they are.
im not sure if that is really what is going on... but thats the impression i got. I was so pissed that when he put me on hold i hung up.......
my questions to him where these:
-can the vec2, intake, headers, and exhaust get me in the 12's?
his reply: our(roe racing) can at best get the ram srt10 to run 15.5 on the stock 1/4 mile. he said anyone who says they are stock in the 13's is lying.
-so what you are saying is that the lightning is much faster than the srt 10?
his reply: basicly said it is, but if the driver of the L was no good, then maybe the srt10 would have a chance.
-I asked if it was possbile to get the hp to 470 hp with only bolt on's?
his reply: not a chance! the engine can at best do 380 stock.... so maybe reaching 400 with bolt on's would be more like it.
-I also told him that i was considering a sc for my truck, but the only reason i haven't done it yet is that i am not sure i want to put my powertrain warrenty in question....
his reply: he said don't worry, a sc will not ever void the warrenty...
my reply: I know for a fact that if the engine blows up and it was caused by the sc that my factory warrenty would not pay for it......
his reply: well we know dealerships that won't tell dodge you have that on your truck...
my reply: I thought you said it didn't void the warrenty.... so what would be the reason in hiding a sc from dodge?
his reply: well................... ( and then he changed the conversation)

I personally don't think this conversation speaks well for roe racing.....
I don't care if someone out there has had a good experience with them before, this does not show any type of business ethics. its also illigal to lie like that to sell products!


Hmm, I am starting to question your motive for this post.

i promise you im just venting........

Thats interesting i ran my 04 ram srt-10 on a DYNOJET 4 days ago and made 432rwh and 480 rwtorque truck has k&n cai on it with no other bolt ons plus truck just turned 1k mile. Sombody's way off here's a copy of my dyno sheet also
:) Dan Cragin of "The Viper Shop" pulled mine (3) times...the WORST
417rwhp
438rwtq
BONE STOCK :p

:cool: just my .02
Quick

That guy is definitely full of ****! I had mine dynoed a couple weeks after I bought the black beast and put down 412 at the rear wheels! Not awesome but definitely better than 380! At the track, stock again I ran a 14.1, once again not awesome, but I am brand new to this ****! If he is talking about the quad cab, I don't know, but I can't imagine that everyone else is wrong and he is right!! Just my 2 cents. :mad:


Hey, there are two quads on this forum that I know of that ran 1/4 in the 13.2 and 13.6 range. JohnH with cat back and CAI went 13.28 and mine went 13.64 (bone stock). It might be because they are both silver and we all agree that silver is the fastest color, but it might also be because who ever was driving for ROE can't drive. I can't tell you how many times I've gone to the track and seen cars that should be much quicker running slow times because the idiot behind the wheel has no idea how to drive.

John,

The phone conversation seems rather brutal. I'm glad I haven't had conversations like that. i've always had a good experience there.

I hope the guys at Roe were talking about a QC. They've got a 2004 Red SRT-10 Ram as a company test vehicle and they've been doing R&D work on a twin screw S/C setup on that truck. They've got two test tracks available nearby and their dyno appears to have all of the calibration tubes and cables hooked up.

In my experience they've been up front about upgrades and improvements vs cost. My stock numbers were 416 HP, and 438 ft lbs at the rear wheels. I've added a K&N, Magnaflow exhaust, and a VEC2. Numbers were 440/486 at that point. I've never taken it to the strip so I've got no point of reference. It has been fast enough for me so far. A new flywheel, clutch and S/C is in my future though.

They've provided a more aggressive tuning card and I'm installing a new set of MSD 8.5 mm wires. I'll see what it does when I go down there next time.

Mark

Anyone who would make claims like that, I would run from...as fast as possible!

When I had a 2003 4 door Ram with a Hemi and 20" rims that was bone stock, except for a home made CAI and I went 15.18... If a truck with 155 more hp can't do better than that, there is a problem.

Something not right that guy. I have been to the track twice and did ten runs total and all but one miss shift run were between 14.0 and 14.3 .....thats with my sissy ass shifting like the truck was new :rolleyes: or something!!!!! I will be in the 13's as soon as I figure how to launch without tire spin for the first 60 feet!! Good luck doing business with the guy...


patrick

Something just don't seem right , I've spoken with sean many times and never had anything like that, but everybody has an off day I guess. But hey maybe he got in the truck wrong and was driving with his feet and clutch and brake with his hands, because I thing my 14 year old eskimo spitz could do a high 13! :D

Sorry I haven't posted my dyno runs yet, sick as a dog with asthma. Just out of curiousity, who did you speak to at Roe and when? EVERY time I've spoken to them they've underestimated power gains. And for the record, every dyno run I've performed at a shop local to me. None at Roe. My local shop BNO Performance has absolutely no incentive to modify or inflate my dyno runs on the behalf of another company. If I was you guys I'd call bs on my dyno claims based on me no posting yet, but worst case I'll have my assistant scan and post for me tomorrow. Roe racing's definately earned my respect.

Eric

roe racing has great respect through the viper community...
the point to this thread was not to to bash roe... but to tell you what was told to me by one of the guys there and to get your responses.
From my perspective, i would hate to find out that i thought i was buying a low 13 second truck, but it turned out to be a 15.5 second truck.... if that were true, i'd go sell this truck.
since that info seemed odd to me, i decided to post it here to re-assure myself of what i bought.

i talked to roe racing today,said that conversation musta been misunderstood also seemed concerned about any negative responses. every time ive talked to them they've seemed very sincere in provideing acurate info .I was actually calling about aprx. time of S/C shipments and got into this conversation.......always seemed cool when i call them

I was actually calling about aprx. time of S/C shipments and got into this conversation.......always seemed cool when i call them

And what did they say?

said that they are getting the intercooler they had made up today and would be installing it and testing and tuning it,also said they worked on the truck supercharger till 9pm last night. i also asked about the methanol injection kit said they are out for the viper already and will be for our trucks soon im kinda waiting to get every thing at once that i can get from them,vec2,msd wires ,supercharger,meth. kit and whatever else i can get my hands on.

ill tell ya what sucked about the conversation i was on the phone when an older gent walked in and asked to have a emission test done as i talked with roe racing i noticed his hat said PA DEPT OF TRANS and knew he was bringing in a dummy vehicle (one with things either missing or unhooked) so i kinda had to cut the conversation short to forwarn my guys sure enough the evap canister was missing..totally gone :)

said that they are getting the intercooler they had made up today and would be installing it and testing and tuning it,also said they worked on the truck supercharger till 9pm last night. i also asked about the methanol injection kit said they are out for the viper already and will be for our trucks soon im kinda waiting to get every thing at once that i can get from them,vec2,msd wires ,supercharger,meth. kit and whatever else i can get my hands on.
Sure want to hear more about your baby when you :eek: get done!

:cool:
Quick

yeah, i wish i could gather up the parts now, spring is coming!

Hi Guys,
I hate for my first post here to be defensive, but this post is way off base.
We've dynoed, modified and tuned several trucks at our shop and the lowest are usually in the 420 RWHP range when stock (I can pull up exact numbers if necessary).
Dave told me of this conversation after speaking with JohnJ (the conversation this post started about).
Apparently their conversation was cut short as JohnJ didn't stay on hold while Dave got the numbers from our truck.
The entire premise of the post is a misunderstanding between these two. Dave tells me he called JohnJ back and left a message, but they did not connect.
I'm not blaming one or the other, but the post should not have been made and these two should have talked again, or JohnJ could reach me at extension 3, then #.
The only way one of these trucks would run a mid 15 is if someone couldn't get third gear, which I've found to be difficult, boost or no boost.
I'm not a drag racer, but our stock truck (2004 regular cab) did mid 14's (14.66 at about 100 mph to be exact) using a G-Tech pro (which can read about a tenth slow because it reads right from when the truck moves) on our runway test track outside the shop.
We'll always try to be an accurate source of information. Sorry to see our relationship with this site has started this way. I've been in the process of working out a supporting sponsor role with John and do plan on supporting the site.

Regards,
Sean

All's good here, Sean. first impressions don't always tell the whole story! ;)

I'm sure most of us knew there just wasn't something right with that story. I figured there had to be SOME kind of mis-communication in there somewhere. Thanks for the post to clear everything up.

There are always 2 sides to a story, but I know that a friend of has talked to Sean Roe many times on the phone and has always been happy. Misunderstandings happen all the time, and its how you handle them that sets everyone apart.

Glad to see Sean here posting and hopefully it'll clear up any misunderstandings and we'll have another vendor on board that we can look to for information and parts!

hey sean, we'll forget everything that guy said for a 10% discount on the vec2 LOL just playin but damn that would be nice, wish someone would do a group buy on those

Hi Guys,
I hate for my first post here to be defensive, but this post is way off base.
We've dynoed, modified and tuned several trucks at our shop and the lowest are usually in the 420 RWHP range when stock (I can pull up exact numbers if necessary).
Dave told me of this conversation after speaking with JohnJ (the conversation this post started about).
Apparently their conversation was cut short as JohnJ didn't stay on hold while Dave got the numbers from our truck.
The entire premise of the post is a misunderstanding between these two. Dave tells me he called JohnJ back and left a message, but they did not connect.
I'm not blaming one or the other, but the post should not have been made and these two should have talked again, or JohnJ could reach me at extension 3, then #.
The only way one of these trucks would run a mid 15 is if someone couldn't get third gear, which I've found to be difficult, boost or no boost.
I'm not a drag racer, but our stock truck (2004 regular cab) did mid 14's (14.66 at about 100 mph to be exact) using a G-Tech pro (which can read about a tenth slow because it reads right from when the truck moves) on our runway test track outside the shop.
We'll always try to be an accurate source of information. Sorry to see our relationship with this site has started this way. I've been in the process of working out a supporting sponsor role with John and do plan on supporting the site.

Regards,
Sean


Don't sweat it man. In my book you guys rock, now get back to work on that supercharger :D :D J/K

So are you admitting your guy was all wrong then? I guess you need to do some traing over there. Or don't Ford "experts" apply their knowledge to Dodges, LOL! Also I'd work a little on your 1/4 mile runs BEFORE you aplly your changes. Nobody will buy a truck went fron 14.6 @100mph stock to say low 13's with your changes. I would just assume you learned how to drive and finally getting good stock times!

In all seriousness, if you are really looking for a market, build a plug and play add on controller for the Hemi. They make what, 3000 SRT-10 Rams a year? ALthough most Hemi owners will never modify them, the 100 times that many Hemis they make in everything from cars to Jeeps, to SUVs to trucks there will be a bigger market. The Hemi is more nannied from the factory then the SRT-10, it just plain needs you guys bad!

Don't sweat it man. In my book you guys rock, now get back to work on that supercharger :D :D J/K





I second that!

So are you admitting your guy was all wrong then? I guess you need to do some traing over there. Or don't Ford "experts" apply their knowledge to Dodges, LOL! Also I'd work a little on your 1/4 mile runs BEFORE you aplly your changes. Nobody will buy a truck went fron 14.6 @100mph stock to say low 13's with your changes. I would just assume you learned how to drive and finally getting good stock times!

In all seriousness, if you are really looking for a market, build a plug and play add on controller for the Hemi. They make what, 3000 SRT-10 Rams a year? ALthough most Hemi owners will never modify them, the 100 times that many Hemis they make in everything from cars to Jeeps, to SUVs to trucks there will be a bigger market. The Hemi is more nannied from the factory then the SRT-10, it just plain needs you guys bad!

I think you should do a little research before you talk about someones
driving ability. Sean is an accomplished Racer with quite a few wins under his belt. He just said he wasn't a Drag Racer.

I'll bet he can put these trucks down the track beter than 90% of the people on this Forum.

after cat back and intake, other than the increase horses what does the headers sound like, I like the sound I have now, not sure I want more noise, unless??

after cat back and intake, other than the increase horses what does the headers sound like, I like the sound I have now, not sure I want more noise, unless??
I don't have the intake installed yet. Only a drop in at present.

I,m extremely pleased with the sound. Not too loud when cruising. Really loud when you spank her!!

Had my '05 QC yellow fever dyno'd Sat.My #'s came right in line with what Hennesy got. 406.8 HP,414 tq.My 1/8 mi time was an 8.89,8.90 with a 1/4 mi best of 14.02,14.24!Only the second time of running at the drags,so I figure w/some practice I should be able to better that.If I knew how to post my dyno sheet,I'd be happy to show the facts.

Had my '05 QC yellow fever dyno'd Sat.My #'s came right in line with what Hennesy got. 406.8 HP,414 tq.My 1/8 mi time was an 8.89,8.90 with a 1/4 mi best of 14.02,14.24!Only the second time of running at the drags,so I figure w/some practice I should be able to better that.If I knew how to post my dyno sheet,I'd be happy to show the facts.


What were your 60' times and your 1/4 MPH?

Anyone else think these 1/4 mile times are not in line with the 1/8 mile times? I thought an 8.9 1/8 would be good for a 13.80 1/4 mile time.

Thanks,
KB

Had my '05 QC yellow fever dyno'd Sat.My #'s came right in line with what Hennesy got. 406.8 HP,414 tq.My 1/8 mi time was an 8.89,8.90 with a 1/4 mi best of 14.02,14.24!Only the second time of running at the drags,so I figure w/some practice I should be able to better that.If I knew how to post my dyno sheet,I'd be happy to show the facts.

My dynoed at 406.15 HP, 435.98 TQ when stock. It ran 13.724 at 104.28,
2.306 60ft.

Aftering lowering rear of truck 2" and airing down tires to 22 PSI it ran 2.205, 60ft, 13.428 at 106.57 MPH. This was also with complete exhaust....Jack

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for allowing me to clear that up. As none of us were in on the conversation between Dave and JohnJ, I have no idea how the figures became so screwed up.
Regarding the 1/4 times we ran, I only posted them because that's what ours did on an old runway with a G-Tech. This is not equivalent to running on an actual drag strip. However, it does provide us with a baseline as long as we continue to test the same way.
On our truck, we ran it on the dyno stock, 3 pulls back to back, then went out and ran the G-Tech, just to get the baselines.
Then we started adding mods, like a brand "P" blower and did the same dyno pull tests and 1/4 mile test.
Now we're working on our blower kit to make sure in outperforms what's currently available.
When you ever see us comparing numbers, it will be using the SAE dyno numbers, as there are many differences between how people drive and the surfaces acceleration tests are run on.
We're continuing to do more development and testing now.
For what it's worth, we are only Viper experts (I don't know where the Ford comment came from). As the Ram SRT-10 has the Viper engine, many of our existing parts and technology directly transfers to it and that's why people started calling us and asking for support. We were not "looking" for a new market. There are only 6 of us here and we're working hard to fill daily orders as it is. I got into the parts side of the performance market by accident when people started asking me to make parts and help them after I got out of racing for a living. We enjoy what we do here and like to figure out ways to make vehicles better.
Ok, now I've got to get back out into the shop and get back to work on the truck. The first production intercooler is supposed to be here today and I need to work on the mounting and piping.

Regards,
Sean

Sean sometimes on this forum you have to dissregard some of the post,because people come in here that are forum hoppers just to try to aggravate. You have always been great , even when unknowing women call for there lazy as@ husband. Most of us appreciate the knowledge that you can bring here, and welcome you to what we call the "red button club". Also can't wait for the supercharger #'s. So don't take some too seriuos, and who know's maybe you can kick us up a group $ on the supercharger!lol :D Have fun making that Hp!

sean,
Im not sure how your guy got those numbers either, that is why i thought it was so strange. I hope you understand that i am a consumer, and when those numbers where told to me... well... im sure you know how i felt. This is a message board to talk about things like this. In my opinion, regarding the conversation, my post was not out of line. In my mind, after being told numbers that what were told to me, i felt it was important for me to get a better understanding, which is why i posted here.
Also, im glad to hear that the numbers told to me were actually a misunderstanding. When your guy was calling me back, i was on the other line with a friend who had run in the 13's... I just wanted to get a second opinion.

Also... Stinker, im not a message board hopper.... this is the only board i post at.......

Johnj I apologize I was refering to you or your post, I was just letting sean know that sometimes we get people in here that just stop in to start aggravation. I try to never specifically point out anyone, mainly because I dont like butt whippins, so everythings cool bo, you know just like in John H's case sometimes people come in and put him down, when actually companies are hard to run perfectly and they get a bad deal so they want everybody to know they are scum so to speak. But no it was definitly not directed to you, you hang around long enough and you'll see it happen eventually.

stinker......... agreed!
I have a couple of friends with vipers... that was part of the reason i got my truck, b/c i love this whole "viper" culture. I know that Roe has a great reputation, everyone only speaks well of them.
ever heard of post-purchase disonance? it means that when someone has spent time searching alternatives for a purchase, then when they make a choice they go through an anxiety stage of did i buy the right thing? -or- should i have bought the other option.
basicly... that is what i was going through, then when someone said the truck was only a 15 second truck at best, it shook my confidence in what i had bought............ but now, everything is okay because its a confirmed misunderstanding.

And out comes the "DARKSYDE" of darksyde, beware he could be in "your" neighborhood!!! :eek:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hersbird
So are you admitting your guy was all wrong then? I guess you need to do some traing over there. Or don't Ford "experts" apply their knowledge to Dodges, LOL! Also I'd work a little on your 1/4 mile runs BEFORE you aplly your changes. Nobody will buy a truck went fron 14.6 @100mph stock to say low 13's with your changes. I would just assume you learned how to drive and finally getting good stock times!

In all seriousness, if you are really looking for a market, build a plug and play add on controller for the Hemi. They make what, 3000 SRT-10 Rams a year? ALthough most Hemi owners will never modify them, the 100 times that many Hemis they make in everything from cars to Jeeps, to SUVs to trucks there will be a bigger market. The Hemi is more nannied from the factory then the SRT-10, it just plain needs you guys bad!




WTF, was this about!?!?!? Maybe you just need to get ****in lost, no offense..... Know who you are talkig about before you open your mouth......
OH YEAH, and when it comes to Tuners, I would give Sean my money before ANY of his driect "competitors", and that IS FACT. Sean Roe is the man, and Roe Racing is King. We would all be fortunate to have himm as a site sponsor. I cannot wait to buy a Roe SC, keep up the good work Sean, and these newbs over here will eventually learn to shut the f*ck up, and realize whats goin on. I appreciate everything you are doing for us bro, keep up the hard work my friend!
TJ


COME ON NOW... THERE REALLY IS NO NEED FOR THIS........ ITS NOT FAIR TO BASH ANYONE... WE ARE ALL HERE WITH THE SAME COMMON INTERESTS... LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY!

Dang I knew something was wrong when I got back from Memphis.... My beer was gone, and the ol' lady was walking bow-legged, now I get it!!!!!!!!lololol :p

Hehehehehe, there's my stinker!!!! :cool:
Truth be told, I stole a few of your Michelobs, heheh :D
TJ

Oh, and uh, johnj, if someone is going to bring up/talk **** on someone that he knows nothing about that mans company and professionalism, I will bash him until my ****ing eyes bleed, got it?

See now, I would just pop their eyes out and skull "F" them :)

Craig

:mad: This always gets started when I'm at work! :eek:
Doesn't anybody play on the week/end? :rolleyes: lol

:cool:
Quick

Man I was mostly just kidding with my post above but if you guys will accept a 14.66 as a good run on a g-tech no less, then OK I guess. I may not be as cool as some people here with more money then brains but my $25,000 Ram will beat that time on an old highway with a G-tech at 3200 feet. Funny if I claimed that I'd get bashed right and left but a $45,000 Viper Ram driven by a great driver who could beat 1/2 the drivers here getting those times is a superhero! I have no problem with Roe at all, looked at getting his stuff through Marty at KRC, and like I said I wish they would tackle the Hemi problem. I just read this whole thread and was wondering what's up with what the original poster said. I can see Roe's just saying it was a communication error, but I find it a little disturbing thinking the guy on the other end of the line might not know the slightest about Rams.

I will say you need to clean up your mouth. That may be acceptible in your little world but I say it's not here. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I accidently signed in to a V-tech forum.

We are putting a lot of miles on the F word but what can I do?

http://www.srt10forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1

We are putting a lot of miles on the F word but what can I do?

http://www.srt10forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1

SIMPLE! NWS NWS NWS NWS


Changed my Sig too.

Darkhole, my post about more money then brains was directed at only one person here. I have plenty of respect for everbody else and certainly attempt not to be envious, it is hard sometimes! I also am not going anywhere, if you wish to contine to display your arrogance then I'm happy to provide you with an outlet.

Darkhole, my post about more money then brains was directed at only one person here. I have plenty of respect for everbody else and certainly attempt not to be envious, it is hard sometimes! I also am not going anywhere, if you wish to contine to display your arrogance then I'm happy to provide you with an outlet.


Look sh!t weasel, if you are talking about me, you had best go re-read the posts. I never accosted you or talked ill of you. If you aren't talking about me, then I dare you to point out another here that has more money than brains ;)

Craig

No, I was talking about Darkhole. I've always thought you were pretty cool. I really don't have any problem with people having an spending money, I just knew it would completely pull his chain!

Darkhole, my post about more money then brains was directed at only one person here.
I wish I could be in the "more money than brains" club :( Jay Leno has said that he is the President of that club.

Exactly, see it's a compliment!

No, I was talking about Darkhole. I've always thought you were pretty cool. I really don't have any problem with people having an spending money, I just knew it would completely pull his chain!

Welcome to the Club Darksyde..

Hey, anyone else notice that when you hit "increase size" at the bottom of the compose post window, that nothing happens to your penis?

Craig

Hey, anyone else notice that when you hit "increase size" at the bottom of the compose post window, that nothing happens to your penis?

Craig

Speak for yourself!

Welcome to the Club Darksyde..

Hey, anyone else notice that when you hit "increase size" at the bottom of the compose post window, that nothing happens to your penis?

Craig


Hey Craig.. I think you need to get your "button" looked at! Is there a Dr. in the house? :D

HEY NOW


I ONLY FIX WATCHES

HEY NOW


I ONLY FIX WATCHES

Thats not what I heard :D j/k

Thats not what I heard :D j/k

Rolex are you keeping something for us? lmao.... :D

granted i do work with tweezers and a eye loupe everyday

You guys crack me up :) I think what we need is a 'Troll-Be-Gone' button.

You guys crack me up :) I think what we need is a 'Troll-Be-Gone' button.

I was thinking the same thing earlier today... But only after we set him straight... Maybe that can be an option under the Paid Membership group. :D

You guys crack me up :) I think what we need is a 'Troll-Be-Gone' button.

Thats a no-****ter their :D You build it well use it :D

Maybe I guess I am a Troll. If you guys really want to discount your heritage and believe that your trucks are somehow completely separated from the rest of the Mopar line. I have been building mopars since I bought my fist one a used 68 Plymouth convertible at the age of 13. I've been building and racing Dodge trucks specifically since 1993. Would I like to have a SRT-10? Sure, but what fits better for me is to build and modify the truck I have now. I come here to find vendors that maybe I'm missing at the other big Dodge boards and I know Roe has worked with Dakotas in the past so here I am. Funny how you don't think you can learn anything form what other Ram owners might be doing, or from just general racing and building experience. I don't claim to know even a tenth what Roe does, but from the start of this post I sure claim to know more then the guy on the other end of that phone. Hate me if you want and try and break me down, but I really, honestly, truly, believe in my heart of hearts that ANY SRT-10 Ram is quicker then 15's and makes more power then 360-380 to the wheels. If you guys don't believe that then that's where I would say you have more money then brains buying a truck that runs 15's for almost $50,000. Again I say I don't believe the claims made by the guy who spoke them, so I really don't believe that you have more money then brains. It's just if YOU believe it!

Haha...Rolex...tweezer and an eye loupe. You crack my ass up.

Guys for what its worth (and ya'll know I've blasted other vendors before) Sean and Dave and stand up guys and I beleive Dave and Johnj that it was just an misundertanding. They are a great part of the Viper and Viper Ram community. I spoke with Dave for some time a couple weeks ago and he was extremely knowlegdable and really took his time to let me know about the intercooler SC kit they are working on for us. They have a RAM SRT tester and we are gonna get some cool goodies out of them.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the SC kit performs. I'm not going to make a decsions on my power adder before then. Also, they have a new clutch kit that beefs up the clutch too for the RAM SRT.

Haha...Rolex...tweezer and an eye loupe. You crack my ass up.

Guys for what its worth (and ya'll know I've blasted other vendors before) Sean and Dave and stand up guys and I beleive Dave and Johnj that it was just an misundertanding. They are a great part of the Viper and Viper Ram community. I spoke with Dave for some time a couple weeks ago and he was extremely knowlegdable and really took his time to let me know about the intercooler SC kit they are working on for us. They have a RAM SRT tester and we are gonna get some cool goodies out of them.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the SC kit performs. I'm not going to make a decsions on my power adder before then. Also, they have a new clutch kit that beefs up the clutch too for the RAM SRT.

Ditto. Roe and gang are stand up guys. They have a loyal and huge fan base.

But we all know that if money isn't an issue that Hennessey and gang are the pimp ****!

Craig