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1. What's the 0-60 time for this truck? I've seen as low as 4.9sec and as high as 5.3 sec.

2. How's the handling of the truck? people that DON'T own the SRT-10 say that the handling sucks.

3. How many miles do you need to break in your truck?





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DC advertises 0-60 in "about 5 seconds", i'm still breaking mine in, 500 miles as per the manuals instructions. handling is world class!
 

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sanchoba said:
DC advertises 0-60 in "about 5 seconds", i'm still breaking mine in, 500 miles as per the manuals instructions. handling is world class!
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1. I think the 4.9 was a DC estimated time before production, Still any time between 4.9 & 5.3 is damn good. better than a lot of sport cars :D
2. If they don't own one , how the Hell do they know? automaticly reject their comments.
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sanchoba said:
DC advertises 0-60 in "about 5 seconds", i'm still breaking mine in, 500 miles as per the manuals instructions. handling is world class!

it handles that well being 5100 lbs?
over two and half tons?
 

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sanchoba said:
DC advertises 0-60 in "about 5 seconds", i'm still breaking mine in, 500 miles as per the manuals instructions. handling is world class!
Exactly my input . . .
 

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it handles that well being 5100 lbs?
over two and half tons?
Yeah, they are an incredibly smooth ride. I have bilstein shocks on my Dak RT along with Hotchkiss suspension. Its a firm ride but not uncomfortable. Thought the ram might be the same with bilsteins. No way, its a SMOOTH ride.
 

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Handling - good counterpoint...

Wikdsvt said:
it handles that well being 5100 lbs?
over two and half tons?
Yes, Yes it does...

People have been downright amazed at how good it really is. And this is where the Lighning dies.

The lightning is built on a spaghetti chassis that rides well but handles poorly. It's chassis is the biggest reason that there is no 2004MY Ford Lightning. Ford has to rebuild the old lightning into the "new" F-150 chassis (which is about 500 lbs heavier) that was necessary to actually meet crash and impact regulations.

The SRT/10 already has a chassis that will meets regulations is already box sectioned, spring right, has rear anti-sways and 340 series 22's that stick like glue. The fact that it is fully "modern" is part of the reason the SRT is nearly 500 lbs heavier...

Maybe for not the L will go fast in a straigt line, but go ahead take it around the bend and you'll learn quickly that it is only an F-150 with a blower.

And this without mentioning braking capabilies...

A sporting vehicle needs balance... otherwise you might as well just be the 16 year old ricer down the street. But a vehicle that you can actually autocross requires a bit more finesse than a supercharger.

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Yes, Yes it does...

People have been downright amazed at how good it really is. And this is where the Lighning dies.

The lightning is built on a spaghetti chassis that rides well but handles poorly. It's chassis is the biggest reason that there is no 2004MY Ford Lightning. Ford has to rebuild the old lightning into the "new" F-150 chassis (which is about 500 lbs heavier) that was necessary to actually meet crash and impact regulations.

The SRT/10 already has a chassis that will meets regulations is already box sectioned, spring right, has rear anti-sways and 340 series 22's that stick like glue. The fact that it is fully "modern" is part of the reason the SRT is nearly 500 lbs heavier...

Maybe for not the L will go fast in a straigt line, but go ahead take it around the bend and you'll learn quickly that it is only an F-150 with a blower.

And this without mentioning braking capabilies...

A sporting vehicle needs balance... otherwise you might as well just be the 16 year old ricer down the street. But a vehicle that you can actually autocross requires a bit more finesse than a supercharger.

Later...
Beautiful. Yet there are those who won't get it. I've got a couple of track days planned in the next couple of months. Maybe I can get an instructor to give his impressions. Bill...........want a ride at the SRT-4 nationals?

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Roadrunner said:
Yes, Yes it does...

People have been downright amazed at how good it really is. And this is where the Lighning dies.

The lightning is built on a spaghetti chassis that rides well but handles poorly. It's chassis is the biggest reason that there is no 2004MY Ford Lightning. Ford has to rebuild the old lightning into the "new" F-150 chassis (which is about 500 lbs heavier) that was necessary to actually meet crash and impact regulations.

The SRT/10 already has a chassis that will meets regulations is already box sectioned, spring right, has rear anti-sways and 340 series 22's that stick like glue. The fact that it is fully "modern" is part of the reason the SRT is nearly 500 lbs heavier...

Maybe for not the L will go fast in a straigt line, but go ahead take it around the bend and you'll learn quickly that it is only an F-150 with a blower.

And this without mentioning braking capabilies...

A sporting vehicle needs balance... otherwise you might as well just be the 16 year old ricer down the street. But a vehicle that you can actually autocross requires a bit more finesse than a supercharger.

Later...

What?

Who do you think did the chassis tuning on the Gen 2 L's. Roush Industries did. Their racing chassis engineers tuned the L. I think you should own and drive an L before you just take it for granted that the suspension isn't tuned specific for the current L. Springs, shocks Front-rear sway bars lower A-arms, brakes and rear springs will give your SRT a run for it's money. ANY day! The brakes are off the F250...

It can still perform the necessary functions of a truck. Load 1300lbs in the bed and pull 5000lbs all day long. There are pleanty of people out on road coarses racing their truck and beating cars doing it. Sure driver skill has much to do with it. With a few suspension mods that truck can compete and does surprise alot of people.

They did produce a 04 Heritage Lightning. Same looks as the 03. The 06 Will be in the new style and it will be 350-400lbs heavier then the Gen 2. That is due to the new full box frame, larger cab and taller bed. That was all engineered to give the truck stability, ride comfort and more towing. Not just crash. The crash standards are changing in 06. Pretty smart of Ford to meet those requirements now, don't you think?

It will be produced in the flair side edition, lighter then the standard new 04 style side, like the Gen 2 and they have a team working on getting the weight reduced for the gen 3. It will not be as heavy as the SRT RAM...It will still function as a truck and will still be a lower price.

I don't get on here and speculate what the SRT will do. I do say I have a hard time believing some of the things said by some here on 1/4 times. I let the owners speak for the vehicle.

I can't wait to see if there are any SRT owners with the brass monkeys to put a SRT on a road coarse up against other cars. Only time will tell....The SRT is on 22's, center of gravity is higher and it weighs 500lbs more then our gen 2. I don't know about you. The L is built like a running back and the SRT is built like a defensive lineman. Big and bulky...Still fast once it gets moving.

I'll put my $$$ on the current L that it beats the SRT on the road coarse.

By the way! I made a few calls after hearing a rumor. Apparently Ford will be doing a little High speed testing with a gen 2 production Lightning in this same weather up in Romeo Michigan. I guess PVO didn't want to wait until July with the heat and humidity. That's ok...I notice my 01 L really moves out in this cooler weather. Maybe 8-9mph worth....It might be a short lived record.... :eek:
 

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What did I tell you? These guys have a huge chip on their shoulders don't they? Again they have to mention "with a few mods". Maybe you should "make a few calls" and find out why you can't just let it go. There are several Lightning circle jerk sites. Post your drivel there.
 

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hi...new guy here.... i don't have a SRT-10, but do have a QC 4x4 HEMI, and 9 seconds, i cannot agree with you more. i joined the NLOC board to learn more about the "L's", and each time i asked a Q (i never put down the L, or any other vehicle, go check if you want), was told to go away, called a troll, and the moderator over there called me 3 names after i asked if anyone knew what a 04 f150 ran in the 1/4. they have a serious problem with competition.

they had a real live porn star L owner (lisa sparx i think her name is) that they drove away!! i laughed my ass off, here is the internet full of guys looking for hot women to talk to, and they managed to harrass her enough to leave the club. :D

all you SRT owners i wish you luck in further battles to come, hopefully a S/C will come out for mine, then maybe i can help out a little.
 

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What did I tell you? These guys have a huge chip on their shoulders don't they? Again they have to mention "with a few mods". Maybe you should "make a few calls" and find out why you can't just let it go. There are several Lightning circle jerk sites. Post your drivel there.

Yeah, so big we show up to the track to back up what the mag's put down and then some!

How was that?

Chippy enough?

Seriously, I haven't put the SRT down. I have my opinion from the owners and engineers I talked to that drove the vehicle. 9seconds, you can jump in and tell me im wrong any time that I'm missed informed about the attributes of the vehicle. You own it!! Am I wrong on what I have posted so far?

Drivel? I don't get on boards and kiss azz and agree with every dodge poster. I'm here to get better informed, be cool to others and to also inform those that also may not be up to par on the L's. At least that way when people comment they know something and not just speculate.

I let it be known who did the engineering on the Lightning and now it's drivel? You didn't like me informing someone on the facts? Or is it the L sounded less immpresive that everyone thought it was just a regular F-series suspension?

Well, I'm not going to be disrespectful. I'm not always going to agree in fear of being called a troll. I just call it like I see it. No bending the truth or making excusses for a vehicle. Be it a lightning, SRT or a SS, like the one I raced yesturday and handed him his SS badges.

I asked a sincer question on the VCA Rams. That way I'm better informed to comment about them. The term is called "learning."

By the way. I said a stock L would give the SRT a race for it's $$$ on a road coarse and a moded suspension one would really surprise peopl. How could you miss interpet that? That's not another "if we added mods" post.
 

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Yeah, so big we show up to the track to back up what the mag's put down and then some!

How was that?

Chippy enough?
Really? Do you even believe that now? I guess the HALO club has some road racing kills too. Probably of me, huh? The post was about handling. So what if Roush designed the suspension even though it looks more like they designed the exhaust. No doubt they did the best they could with the $ and chassis constraints. How about those Bose and Infinity sound systems in cars? Same deal. Realize that just because you post it, it doesn't mean it's true. Especially when you go off on the Ram. Take your own advise and own/drive a SRT before making comments like "give your SRT a run for it's money. ANY day!". That's the drivel. You don't know crap about the Ram. I guess that magic automatic transmission will even things out.

You claim to be learning but in your posts you're always trying to teach. Why? Who asked? If I wanted to learn about L's I would go to one of those sites but I don't. If you notice, most SRT-10 owners here don't post much about them. Just L guys. If you wanted to offer a counter opinion to Roadrunner you should have posted data like spring rates, lateral G's, stopping distances, etc. Real facts. Instead we get Roush this and F-250 that. Big deal.

Your comment about how smart Ford was to make a 2006 model truck meet 2006 crash standards was classic. Sure to make the blooper reel.
 

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Really? Do you even believe that now? I guess the HALO club has some road racing kills too. Probably of me, huh? The post was about handling. So what if Roush designed the suspension even though it looks more like they designed the exhaust. No doubt they did the best they could with the $ and chassis constraints. How about those Bose and Infinity sound systems in cars? Same deal. Realize that just because you post it, it doesn't mean it's true. Especially when you go off on the Ram. Take your own advise and own/drive a SRT before making comments like "give your SRT a run for it's money. ANY day!". That's the drivel. You don't know crap about the Ram. I guess that magic automatic transmission will even things out.

You claim to be learning but in your posts you're always trying to teach. Why? Who asked? If I wanted to learn about L's I would go to one of those sites but I don't. If you notice, most SRT-10 owners here don't post much about them. Just L guys. If you wanted to offer a counter opinion to Roadrunner you should have posted data like spring rates, lateral G's, stopping distances, etc. Real facts. Instead we get Roush this and F-250 that. Big deal.

Your comment about how smart Ford was to make a 2006 model truck meet 2006 crash standards was classic. Sure to make the blooper reel.
I can do better then just talk about it. If your ever in Michigan I can take you over to the Roush buildings and introduce you....

2001 performance data:

0-60: 5.8 seconds. Mine stock 5.3

1/4 mile: 13.9 seconds. Mine stock 13.53.

0-100-0: 22.0 seconds.

Top speed: 142mph. GUINNESE 147 mph

Braking, 60-0mph: 136ft.

Braking, 80-0mph: 63.6ft.

80-ft. slalom: 63.6mph

100-ft. skidpad: 0.85g

Front suspension: Short and long -Arm type, coil springs, tubular gas-charged Blistein shocks, 31mm solid stabilizer bar.

Rear suspension: Solid axle, staggered gas-charged Blistein shocks, five leaf springs, 23mm solid stabilizer bar.

Front Brakes: 12.1-in. (308mm) vented disc, twin piston caliper.

Rear Brakes: 13.1-in. (334mm) vented disc, single piston caliper.

ABS: Four wheel, three sensor system.

Drivetrain:

Transmission Four speed automatic (4R100)

Drive shaft: 4.5-in Aluminum

Final drive 3.73:1

Rear Axle: 9.75-in. Limited slip.

Gear: Ratio: Maximum Speed in Gear:
1st 2.71 43 mph
2nd 1.53 76 mph
3rd 1.00 119 mph
4th 0.71 142 mph
Reverse 2.176.

Weight dis: 57%/43%

Curb weight: 4,670 lb.

I can have the spring rates next week. As you can see by the performance numbers that they are all a little conservative. Many stock Lightning's surpassed these numbers Ford released. Guess you can't believe everything a manufacturer tells you! Or a mag. We all know it did 5 mph faster when it set the first record.

That's why I say. It takes real people out racing on tracks to get real world results. Now, if people don't get out and run them, what are us truck enthusiasts supposed to think? I didn't get your truck mixed up with the guy in the video. I've known you had a RED truck from day one. You race the HALO guys? Don't think that will happen....I think you know what that truck is about and I can see it in the way you reply back. It's not going to get much faster or hook after the break-in proceedure. Not until yo get some new shoes for it.

Don't ask me what I believe. Just do it man....Get to the track and race that RED truck of yours and show people what it can do stock. I don't expect to see a single SRT RAM road racing. For the simple reasons I explained. Prove me wrong if what I say isn't on par with the trucks performance. See the problem we have here is the failure to get a magazine to have an all out comparison. Road racing and 1/4.

What's the point? A guy who payed 45K+ will never addmit the current L is as good in the performance arena. There is more to a vehicle then just a big engine and large brake's. Takes a total package...Your's hauls less payload and doesn't tow. Weather you bought it for that or not. IT's a truck with car ability. Just buy a Viper if it can't perform like a truck!!

As for the 2006 comment on the blooper real. Ford is already meeting the crash requirements that will be required to pass by the Fed's for 06 C.Y with their New 04 F-150 trucks and the soon to be released 05 Models. Same for DCX and GM or any other vehicle sold in the states.

Do you honestly think the auto manufacturers doesn't know years in advance when new safety standards will issued? And What standards they will be required to pass? That is why the GT will only be two year production. It will not meet the new safety standards for 06.

I think you need to get a clue how the automakers do business. You think Ford is going to invest 4 billion to redisgn a truck to release in 04 and 05 then change it again to meet new 06 federal safety standards two years later? Your nuts!

All the vehicles getting released as new products that will have a production run into the 06 C.Y. will be meeting those requirements. Or they don't go to the public....It's that simple! I worked in Ford Powertrain Engineering. I'm pretty sure after 16yrs of being in the automotive business, I know a thing or two about how auto companys do business. Is there anything here you didn't understand?

I didn't trash the ram. I said I expected more! So did this guy!

http://www.latimes.com/classified/automotive/highway1/la-hy-viper4feb04,0,2406801.story?coll=la-class-autos-highway1
 

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Hey, no dis intended here, but did you read this article? I did and I took away two things. One, the guy who drove the truck/wrote the article is obviously not a regular at the dragstrip. Who goes through the water box with street tires? Anyone? Buhler? Further, even if you don't go through the water box, who burns "$50 of Italian rubber" off their tires in a burnout on streets? Clearly he is a novice driver and not a lot of faith can be placed in his driving skills. Can't speak to the truck that he drove, but I can talk to driving a SRT-10 . . . I actually have one that I drive. I've NEVER missed a gear in mine and I've stretched its legs a few times on the street. It is by far the easiest shifting manual transmission I've ever driven, and my 66 Mustang three-speed was pretty easy!

The second point I took away wasn't that he was disappointed at all with the truck. In fact, his last sentence he asks if he can come back the next day to do it again. His point as I read it was that the truck was so overpowered as to be excessive. His actual word choice was "decadent". His tone was, "Really. Who needs this MUCH power?" :cool:

In his first run, he admits not revving up enough for the launch and in the second he revved too high. He was obviously learning by trial and error like everyone else will. Finally, he admitted that even he could've had the truck in the mid-thirteens recognizing for himself that he wasn't that great a driver or experienced at the track.

The only thing he implied disappointment about in the whole article seemed to be difficulty in parking because of the size. Well, that would certainly turn me off to buying a 500 hp muscle truck . . . :confused:
 

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What is the 04 f150's quarter mile time anyway??

don't know....no-one would give me any figures. this was all around the time that infamous Ford commercial where it out pulled the HEMI in the quarter. all i know is i have slapped a couple of them around from streetlight to streetlight.
 

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hurricane- all I could find was a 14.5 in the 1/4 by a 98 f150.

in that magazine article, the guy kinda went both ways. it came out like fast trucks were pointless to have, but damned fun. and he also said that it wasn't built for the 1/4 it was more for top end.

At least that's what I got out of it. But then again, I practice this little idea we call reading comprehension...

Once again, we all know the srt10 is better than the L. And Thor here isn't trying to say otherwise. He is just saying he thought the L was going to get slaughtered, and while it got beat, it didn't get it's ass handed to it on a silver platter like everyone said it would. So don't get huffy puffy please. This is good natured competition.

And there is nothing wrong with paying that extra money. People say stupid crap like "for that extra money, I could blippityblahblahblah" but they can't roll all of that extra money into payments now could they?

9seconds, i take it you roadrace? you ever come up to the dallas area to motorsports ranch?
 

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Hey, no dis intended here, but did you read this article? I did and I took away two things. One, the guy who drove the truck/wrote the article is obviously not a regular at the dragstrip. Who goes through the water box with street tires? Anyone? Buhler? Further, even if you don't go through the water box, who burns "$50 of Italian rubber" off their tires in a burnout on streets? Clearly he is a novice driver and not a lot of faith can be placed in his driving skills. Can't speak to the truck that he drove, but I can talk to driving a SRT-10 . . . I actually have one that I drive. I've NEVER missed a gear in mine and I've stretched its legs a few times on the street. It is by far the easiest shifting manual transmission I've ever driven, and my 66 Mustang three-speed was pretty easy!

The second point I took away wasn't that he was disappointed at all with the truck. In fact, his last sentence he asks if he can come back the next day to do it again. His point as I read it was that the truck was so overpowered as to be excessive. His actual word choice was "decadent". His tone was, "Really. Who needs this MUCH power?" :cool:

In his first run, he admits not revving up enough for the launch and in the second he revved too high. He was obviously learning by trial and error like everyone else will. Finally, he admitted that even he could've had the truck in the mid-thirteens recognizing for himself that he wasn't that great a driver or experienced at the track.

The only thing he implied disppointment about in the whole article seemed to be difficulty in parking because of the size. Well, that would certainly turn me off to buying a 500 hp muscle truck . . . :confused:
Quotes from the same article.

These ar his first immpressions.
In the cozened quarters of La La Land, the SRT-10 couldn't be more politically incorrect if it wore a white hood and was named the Dodge Imperial Wizard. It's huge. It's big-fat-fiance obnoxious. It's got more vulgar bulges than a Chippendales show. It burns gas like a fuel depot fire and tires like a Port-au-Prince roadblock.

With so much torque straining at the flywheel just off throttle, clutch management is an issue.

The throw of the pedals, however, is considerable, as is the pedal spacing.

Well, on the street the SRT-10 is lumpy, jumpy and hard to park.

However, the thing weighs 2 1/2 tons and is big as a barn, so it's not exactly agile in tight corners. Yes, you can easily throttle-steer it — that is, break loose the rear tires to rotate the truck as it goes around a corner — but all that mass makes it rather unhandy. Who wants to power-slide into opposing traffic?

No, the SRT-10 has an innate desire to go straight. And that's why I'm at the drag strip.

You would think that a vehicle engineered to set a world speed record would be right at home at the L.A. County Raceway. Not so. The very things that make the SRT-10 a contender on the high banks of an oval track make it a little iffy on the drag strip.

The demons under the hood are howling. At the moment I see the last amber light on the tree, I slip my foot off the clutch and then — the truck bogs down. Damn! The back wheels chug on the sticky asphalt, killing the revs. The SRT-10 staggers away from the line and it takes until the 330-foot mark for the truck to come to a boil again. This is ugly.

But the SRT-10 is finding its feet now. I pull away. At about 6,000 rpm, I jam the Hurst shifter into third — and miss. The shift linkage is bunged up. I have no choice but to back out of the throttle and let the Hemi go by me. I cross the quarter-mile line at 15.22 seconds and 82 mph. Pitiful.

To make matters worse, I miss third gear again. It's official. This Hurst linkage stinks. It's like playing pin the tail on the transmission.

But I decide to accept today's verdict of ignominious mediocrity.
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No dis inted here also. Where were their any positives except getting attention and it having power. He didn't like the ride, handling, shifter or the clutch and pedal spacing. Far more dis-likes than likes. This falls into what I have been saying. As for him getting into the 13's. Maybe...If your driving in the water with radials, how good and much does he know?

I'd like to see drivers go out and show that the SRT's are capable of running better than the Gen 2 L's. It then gives Ford a better incentive to give us L owners more in the Gen 3. I hope Ford doesn't get the High speed record back with a current L.

Just to do a little better isn't worth my $$$.

This guy can relate to the owner of the SRT in the video. Much similarity between what he had problems with and what many had seen in the video between the L and the SRT.

He had been driving the truck a week. Video owner had his two weeks. Sure he could do a little better after a month.

The point here is articles like this and the video may turn people off to going to the track with their SRT truck. It being not so user friendly to drive. Some being intimidated by some of the attributes of the truck makes for a "not so fun experience."

Who wants to take the chance of emberassing themselves at the track with it being hyped as a low 13 sec truck by a good driver and be in fear of making a 14sec run....Then have people shouting they can do better!

I hope to see more SRT's out at the tracks. I don't think there will be many.
 
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