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http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147228

Now you have to read past all the BS and bashing to get to the point.
These two trucks are about dead evenly matched

I have no idea about how many mods the Lightning has or for that point the SRT-10 either.

but they were pretty much neck and neck, I'll give proprs to the srt-10 for being on it's first tank of gas, just hope Dodge doesn't do to him what ford does to use when it comes to warranty work.

(Ford voided my warranty for using aftermarket air in my tires, HONEST!)
 

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That lightning ran a best of 12.8 @ 105.
PATHETIC for the modifications that it has. (he needs a new tuner, BAD)


Here is a list of what he has done to it:


thinking about selling my L
well after spending about $4,000 on my truck and only running [email protected] 105, it hurts me in my heart to say i want something else...i bought a truck that obviously had some problems, it was a lightly modded 2000 with 10,000miles...it doesnt have many mods really.. kenne bell with 3.5 upper, 4lb lower, straight pipes, 170thermo, NGK Br7's, 90mm MAF, 12'' Filter, Diablo Chip...i dont even know if its worth fiding the problem and building the truck up to run 10's (which i had plans for) i may just get an 03 cobra, or maybe a Twin Turbo Supra...i love my truck..and i would kill the person driving if i ever saw it on the road again...i dont know what to do..the truck drives perfrectly fine but just didnt run as fast as i hoped...you will all know soon what i am doing...
 

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well after spending about $4,000 on my truck and only running [email protected] 105, it hurts me in my heart to say i want something else...i bought a truck that obviously had some problems, it was a lightly modded 2000 with 10,000miles...it doesnt have many mods really.. kenne bell with 3.5 upper, 4lb lower, straight pipes, 170thermo, NGK Br7's, 90mm MAF, 12'' Filter, Diablo Chip...i dont even know if its worth fiding the problem and building the truck up to run 10's (which i had plans for) i may just get an 03 cobra, or maybe a Twin Turbo Supra...i love my truck..and i would kill the person driving if i ever saw it on the road again...i dont know what to do..the truck drives perfrectly fine but just didnt run as fast as i hoped...you will all know soon what i am doing...
Geez with all those mod's you would think it you be a lot better. I mean since the L runs 13.1 stock, right.
 

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Geez with all those mod's you would think it you be a lot better. I mean since the L runs 13.1 stock, right.
NOT, we never claimed as average, it has been stated numerous times that is the fasted documented stock L!!! average is mid-upper 13s depending on conditions.
12.8s are hidious times for the Ls mods, Hell I've got less mods &run12.6s
Why when you are given compiments on your SRT Rams BY LIGHTNING owners do you have to start draging in partial statments, out of context????
you are given facts to show your Trucks have a win against a modded L and Props to the SRT 10 Ram, and your first comments are total stupidity.
 

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Omg he didn't break in the Srt-10?
thats what they said, kinda askin for it, but Hey when you get a new toy , I've done similar stuff. I hope it was something like a elec. safety shutoff that can just be reset or something else simple. Heaven forbid if the dealer didn't prep it properly. that would be an Ouch.
 

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NOT, we never claimed as average, it has been stated numerous times that is the fasted documented stock L!!! average is mid-upper 13s depending on conditions..


Oh it doesn’t run low 13's stock? I was told it does. Sorry my mistake. According to "BAND" ( http://www.srt10forum.com/showthread.php?t=138 ) another L owner over here, your wrong. Maybe you guys should just all get together and figure it out. Actually D Davis you were in that thread, funny how you didn’t say anything when he claimed 13.1 stock.

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Why when you are given compiments on your SRT Rams BY LIGHTNING owners do you have to start draging in partial statments, out of context????
you are given facts to show your Trucks have a win against a modded L and Props to the SRT 10 Ram, and your first comments are total stupidity.
I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just trying to figure out what an L's baseline is! You guys keep telling me anything from low 14's to high 12's stock. I give in and figure that "band" must be right and your guys L's run low 13's stock and now your yelling at me?
 

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Joeykunz said:
Oh it doesn’t run low 13's stock? I was told it does. Sorry my mistake. According to "BAND" ( http://www.srt10forum.com/showthread.php?t=138 ) another L owner over here, your wrong. Maybe you guys should just all get together and figure it out. Actually D Davis you were in that thread, funny how you didn’t say anything when he claimed 13.1 stock.
I have the fastest lightning recorded. That is my best time... in best air condition(42degrees, dry). My consistant worse time is 13.4...(70's)

Most lightnings run between 13.4-13.7..

And I agree with what D Davis just posted.


Besides, that's way off topic..
 

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That guys truck doesn't run very well at all..especially at WOT. I've met the guy at Gainesville raceway and that was when he made his 12.8 pass. He has some serious tuning issues.
 

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Hey Joeykunz, do you ever go to Gainesville? I'd love to see a SRT-10 close up.
 

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Hey Joeykunz, do you ever go to Gainesville? I'd love to see a SRT-10 close up.

Nope, never been. My buddy used to race his vw powered sandrails out there. It takes some major balls to run them all out in the 1/4 mile.

Oh btw I dont have a srt-10, just a hemi ram. I hope to have one some day not far away. But if the 6.1L hemi comes out I'll probably opt for that instead. I wish we had a 1/4 mile in jacksonville, I think I could pull off a mid 14.
 

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according to the driver of the L, the Ram had timing chain break,Dealer covered under warrenty, something supposedly about tension not right from factory? does that sound right? I don't know from jack on the v-10s
Anyway, the L drivers gettin Hell from others for loosing with a modded L
 

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Saw the first run of this in a video on that forum, the srt-10 dropped to the bumper of the Lightning and stayed there. It seemed like once they got moving neither gained or lost any.
 

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Omg he didn't break in the Srt-10?
the break in period for motors nowadays isn't like the days of old that last several hundred miles. the tolerances are much better now and honestly the rings will seal in all of 20-50 miles. also, proper break in is changing of 1/3 and 2/3 and full throttle for periods of time, not just cruising on the highway.
 

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(Ford voided my warranty for using aftermarket air in my tires, HONEST!)
Congrats!
This is officially the dumbest thing I've read all week! You get a gold star! WooHoo!

This is from the SEMA site (now available to SEMA members only).

PRINT THIS AND KEEP IT IN YOUR TRUCK:
SPECIALTY AUTO PARTS CONSUMERS BILL OF RIGHTS
Your Rights to Personalize Your Vehicle

* ARTICLE ONE:
You have the Right to buy high-quality, reliable aftermarket performance and specialty parts, accessories and styling options.
* ARTICLE TWO:
You have the Right to use high-quality aftermarket parts and know that your new car warranty claims will be honored. In fact, your vehicle dealer may not reject a warranty claim simply because an aftermarket product is present. A warranty denial under such circumstances may be proper only if an aftermarket part caused the failure being claimed.
* ARTICLE THREE:
You have the Right to install and use emissions-legal aftermarket performance parts without incurring hassles and onerous procedures during state vehicle emissions inspections.
* ARTICLE FOUR:
You have the Right to actively oppose any proposed (or existing) laws or regulations that will reduce your freedom to use aftermarket automotive parts and service or will curtail your ability to take part in the automotive hobbies of your choice.
* ARTICLE FIVE:
You have the Right to patronize independent retail stores and shops for vehicle parts and service. The U.S. aftermarket offers the world's finest selection of performance and specialty parts, accessories and styling options. These aftermarket products satisfy the most discriminating customers seeking personalized vehicles for today's lifestyle.
The foregoing message is brought to you by the Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA). If you would like our guidelines on what to do if your new car warranty is denied, call SEMA's Fax-on- Demand service, 909/396-0182, ext. 750 and request document #904 or check the "Improper Warranty Denial" section of our web site. Also available in this section of the web site is up-to-date information on legislative and regulatory proposals that will have an impact on vehicle enthusiasts.


WARRANTY DENIAL!

IMPROPER AND PROPER VOIDING OF NEW-VEHICLE WARRANTIES
There are probably still some people out there who believe that new-vehicle warranties are voided when aftermarket parts are installed. It is not difficult to understand how people might feel that way when the vehicle dealers do everything they can to make people believe that is true. In fact, as we know, it is not true! Further, statements to the contrary by vehicle manufacturers, their dealers and other agents are in violation of the law. Just in case you run into someone who does not know the facts, here they are.

TYPES OF WARRANTIES
The first thing to understand is that there are two types of warranties. The first is called an express warranty. The new-car warranty is an example. Another example is the emissions warranty, which is required by the Clean Air Act. These are warranties which are written, or more rarely, spoken warranties where the terms are spelled out.* The second type of warranty is called an implied warranty. This warranty is not written but imposed by law on those who, by certain conduct, imply that there is some warranty with regard to their products. For example, when a manufacturer sells a product, it is reasonable to assume that the product will perform in a particular fashion, that is, it will be fit for the ordinary purpose for such a product. If the product fails to perform, there is a breach of an implied warranty. Further, if the seller knows the purposes for which the product will be used, there is an implied warranty that the product will be fit for that purpose. Sellers can avoid the responsibility of express warranties by simply not offering one. (That's pretty tough with the emissions warranties, since they are required by law.) Implied warranties can also be avoided in some states if the seller disclaims any implied warranties.

EXPRESS WARRANTIES
Both federal and state laws have been enacted to regulate the way in which warranties are enforced, to attempt to reduce consumer fraud. One such law is the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, administered by the Federal Trade Commission. One of the most important provisions of that Act is that "no warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name...."That says it all. No manufacturer, including the vehicle manufacturers, can void its warranties, any warranties, merely because aftermarket parts are used on its vehicles. If that were not enough, Congress when further to include similar language in the Clean Air Act. Under the Clean Air Act, vehicle manufacturers are required to provide two types of warranties with their vehicles. The first is the production, or defect, warranty which says that the vehicle, at the time of sale, will be free from defects which would cause it to fail to meet required emission levels for its useful life. This warranty is generally triggered when a large number of vehicles fail to meet requirements, and there is a recall. The second warranty is the performance warranty which says that if the vehicle fails to maintain its emissions levels for the required period, inspection and maintenance test required by the states. (For more information, see related document in series, "Inspection/Maintenance Programs.") So what happens to these warranties when you install aftermarket equipment? Nothing! In addition to requiring that vehicle manufacturers provide warranties, the Clean Air Act requires that manufacturers not condition the warranties on the use of their components or service, unless it is provided free of charge. What could be more clear?

WHEN MAY WARRANTIES BE VOIDED?
From what is said above, it is clear that a warranty cannot be voided merely because an aftermarket part is installed on a vehicle. Example 1: The use of computer chips, or similar recalibration devices, does not automatically void new- vehicle warranties: it must be proven that the use of such aftermarket devices were directly responsible for the claim. Example 2: Strange as it many seem, dealerships have tried to deny warranty for things such as leaking rear main seals or wheel bearings when unrelated items such as an aftermarket exhaust system have been installed. Example 3: Even substantial modifications with aftermarket products such as superchargers or suspension kits can be completely irrelevant to the cause of vehicle failure. However, there are circumstances where a warranty can be voided. If a consumer installs an aftermarket part and either the improper installation of the product or the product itself is responsible for a problem which results in a warranty claim, the vehicle manufacturer is not responsible for the claim. No one, including the vehicle manufacturer, should be responsible for problems which are created by others, and the law honors this principle in the area of warranties. A thorough examination of a vehicle which is under warranty must be conducted by the dealership to determine the cause of the problem.

IMPROPER WARRANTY DENIAL
If a vehicle dealer denies an emissions warranty claim merely on the basis of the installation of aftermarket parts which have not been the cause of the warranty claim, get the refusal and the reasons for the refusal in writing. Then, follow the procedures in the owner's manual for warranty coverage. If all fails, contact the Environmental Protection Agency to report the improper warranty denial. The number is 202/233-9040 or 202/233-9100.
If the warranty denial relates to the new-vehicle warranty and is based merely upon the installation of aftermarket parts which have not been demonstrated to be the cause of the warranty claim, contact the Federal Trade Commissions to report the improper warranty denial. The FTC number is 202/326-3128.
-END-

(Moderators/Admin: Feel free to post this where you deem necessary for all to read. Thanks.)
 

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FOOD FOR THOUGHT:

1. Many lightning owners put a 4x4 deep trans pan on thier lightnings becuase it holds 1.5 quarts more fluid. you wouldn't think this was bad, but if your tranny goes bad, Ford (F) will void the warranty on the trans. WHY? Becuase in development F tested the 4x4 pan on the L and found that it allowed too much fluid to splash around, resulting in a posible deprivation of fluid. F Documented this and filed it away. If someone were to sue F, all F would have to do is show that they tested this trans pan and the result. CASE CLOSED.

2. Did you know that GM has voided many warranties due to the installation of a K&N airfilter? How can GM do this? (mostly s/c gtp) WHen a K&N air filter needs to be re-charged, you clean it and add oil. wel the correctly way is to spray every other fold and let is sit for like 2 days. Most people spray the chit out of it and install it right away. The excess oil gets sucked through the intake, oil on the MAF sensor does very bad things, mostly leans the chit out of your a/f ratio. so your car is running dangrously lean. results in a hole in the piston resulting from too much air and not enough fuel to cool the mixture.
so adding a K&N filter can void your warranty.
Same thing with adding a bigger fuel filter, bigger fuel pumps, sparkplugs that aren't recommended by the manufacturer.

I would be extremely cautious about adding aftermarket parts if you plan on retaining your factory warranty, because they CAN void your warranty, regardless what they say on the box.
 

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I would be extremely cautious about adding aftermarket parts if you plan on retaining your factory warranty, because they CAN void your warranty, regardless what they say on the box.
Yes they sure can, but only if the directions from BOTH manufacturers are not followed. Manuf's can't be held responsible for idiocy. Speaking of which...

Non-factory air in the tires?
Come on, man.
 

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Yes they sure can, but only if the directions from BOTH manufacturers are not followed. Manuf's can't be held responsible for idiocy. Speaking of which...

Non-factory air in the tires?
Come on, man.
I know it was a joke.
When you bring any svt product to Ford for service the first thing they do is look for modifications (to install a chip you have to scrape the protective coating off the PCM, they measure the lower pulley diameter and check the PCM for codes)
One dealer was giving a L owner [email protected] for excess rubber in the rear wheel wells.
One dealer denied a warranty claim for a K&N filter that fouled the MAF sensor.

It seems to us L owners that Ford Purposely looks for things to void the warranty. (hence the aftermarket air in my tires, it was helium, heard it made the truck lighter going down the 1/4 mile)

I really hope Dodge doesn't adopt this same attitude.
I took full advantage of the 7/70 that I had on my prior dodge vehicles
(Daytona and SHadow ES (both 3.0 5spd))
 
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