this is what roe racing said.....

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johnj

Discussion Starter · Feb 8, 2005

i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

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Sitedrifter

· #2 · Feb 8, 2005 (Edited)

johnj said:
i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????

That is a real funny thing since my 2wd HEMI ran 14.7 in the 1/4 when it was 70+ degrees out and my fat ass in the driver seat.

I could only assume he was talking about Quad Cab 2WD HEMI's becuase then he is about right as far as times go.

But from the looks of it, it seems he is talking about quad cab SRT-10 Rams. 6packattack ran a 14.01 with his.

As HEMI 777

would say, someone is smoking crack.

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Titan

· #3 · Feb 8, 2005

johnj said:
i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

Might want to read this thread

http://www.srt10forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=750

HDVIPER

· #4 · Feb 8, 2005

johnj said:
i just spoke with a guy from roe racing... and he claims its impossible to get anything less than a 15.5 1/4 mile with a stock engine..........?????????
he said that all of the magazines where wrong. He also said that everyone that says their car is making 425ish at the wheel stock is lying.....?
he seems to think that the most a stock engine can get is 375-380 hp at the wheel......................?
Personally I don't know what to say... what are you're thoughts?

That guy is definitely full of ****! I had mine dynoed a couple weeks after I bought the black beast and put down 412 at the rear wheels! Not awesome but definitely better than 380! At the track, stock again I ran a 14.1, once again not awesome, but I am brand new to this ****! If he is talking about the quad cab, I don't know, but I can't imagine that everyone else is wrong and he is right!! Just my 2 cents.

quoteszone

· #5 · Feb 8, 2005

In defense of Roe, they're right on target with my bone stock dyno runs (which they have a copy of). As I'm sure a lot of you are aware, there are large discrepancies between mustang dyno's and dynojets. My stock dyno'd rc (on a dynojet) was right around 380's horse and torque. Additionally after every individual modification (no matter how small the mod), I did a min. of 2-3 more dyno runs. I'll scan and post my dyno runs later tonight. I've been up to Roe a few times, and talk to them every couple weeks. I've got their VEC2 (and love it), used their borla xr-1 muffler's and 02 sims as well. Just waiting for their supercharger. Who exactly did you speak to at Roe? I've never once had them mention any quarter mile times, never mind tell me anything but truthful.

I HIGHLY recommend Roe Racing, nothing but great service (which seems to be hard to come by). Ask for Dave, he'll shoot you straight.

Eric

quoteszone

· #6 · Feb 8, 2005

Side note, are you talking SAE, flywheel, corrected due to environmental variables(ambient air temperature, ventilation, humidity). Big huge fan blowing at intake. Back to back runs with no heat dissipation. Lot's of variables to take into account.

Eric

blackramsrt-10

· #7 · Feb 8, 2005

Thats interesting i ran my 04 ram srt-10 on a DYNOJET 4 days ago and made 432rwh and 480 rwtorque truck has k&n cai on it with no other bolt ons plus truck just turned 1k mile. Sombody's way off here's a copy of my dyno sheet also

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9 seconds

· #8 · Feb 8, 2005

I hate to hear that. It doesn't shine a good light on them. The "impossible" and "lying" parts that is.

johnj

Discussion Starter · #9 · Feb 9, 2005 (Edited)

????????

all im saying is that 15.5 is what he said roe has done and can not do any better than. I honestly felt that he (or the company) was trying to make all the numbers lower and the 1/4 slower so the improvements from the vec2 and other mods seem like they really are better than they are.
my questions to him where these:
-can the vec2, intake, headers, and exhaust get me in the 12's?
his reply: our(roe racing) can at best get the ram srt10 to run 15.5 on the stock 1/4 mile. he said anyone who says they are stock in the 13's is lying.
-so what you are saying is that the lightning is much faster than the srt 10?
his reply: basicly said it is, but if the driver of the L was no good, then maybe the srt10 would have a chance.
-I asked if it was possbile to get the hp to 470 hp with only bolt on's?
his reply: not a chance! the engine can at best do 380 stock.... so maybe reaching 400 with bolt on's would be more like it.
-I also told him that i was considering a sc for my truck, but the only reason i haven't done it yet is that i am not sure i want to put my powertrain warrenty in question....
his reply: he said don't worry, a sc will not ever void the warrenty...
my reply: I know for a fact that if the engine blows up and it was caused by the sc that my factory warrenty would not pay for it......
his reply: well we know dealerships that won't tell dodge you have that on your truck...
my reply: I thought you said it didn't void the warrenty.... so what would be the reason in hiding a sc from dodge?
his reply: well................... ( and then he changed the conversation)

(i edited some of this message b.c i don't want to appear to be hurting the company... i just want feedback from the conversation.)

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Titan

· #10 · Feb 9, 2005

johnj said:
all im saying is that 15.5 is what he said roe has done and can not do any better than. I honestly felt that he (or the company) was trying to make all the numbers lower and the 1/4 slower so the improvements from the vec2 and other mods seem like they really are better than they are.
im not sure if that is really what is going on... but thats the impression i got. I was so pissed that when he put me on hold i hung up.......
my questions to him where these:
-can the vec2, intake, headers, and exhaust get me in the 12's?
his reply: our(roe racing) can at best get the ram srt10 to run 15.5 on the stock 1/4 mile. he said anyone who says they are stock in the 13's is lying.
-so what you are saying is that the lightning is much faster than the srt 10?
his reply: basicly said it is, but if the driver of the L was no good, then maybe the srt10 would have a chance.
-I asked if it was possbile to get the hp to 470 hp with only bolt on's?
his reply: not a chance! the engine can at best do 380 stock.... so maybe reaching 400 with bolt on's would be more like it.
-I also told him that i was considering a sc for my truck, but the only reason i haven't done it yet is that i am not sure i want to put my powertrain warrenty in question....
his reply: he said don't worry, a sc will not ever void the warrenty...
my reply: I know for a fact that if the engine blows up and it was caused by the sc that my factory warrenty would not pay for it......
his reply: well we know dealerships that won't tell dodge you have that on your truck...
my reply: I thought you said it didn't void the warrenty.... so what would be the reason in hiding a sc from dodge?
his reply: well................... ( and then he changed the conversation)

I personally don't think this conversation speaks well for roe racing.....
I don't care if someone out there has had a good experience with them before, this does not show any type of business ethics. its also illigal to lie like that to sell products!

Hmm, I am starting to question your motive for this post.

johnj

Discussion Starter · #11 · Feb 9, 2005

???????

i promise you im just venting........

QUICKSILVER

· #12 · Feb 9, 2005

blackramsrt-10 said:
Thats interesting i ran my 04 ram srt-10 on a DYNOJET 4 days ago and made 432rwh and 480 rwtorque truck has k&n cai on it with no other bolt ons plus truck just turned 1k mile. Sombody's way off here's a copy of my dyno sheet also

Dan Cragin of "The Viper Shop" pulled mine (3) times...the WORST
417rwhp
438rwtq
BONE STOCK

just my .02
Quick

QckSlvr

· #13 · Feb 9, 2005

HDVIPER said:
That guy is definitely full of ****! I had mine dynoed a couple weeks after I bought the black beast and put down 412 at the rear wheels! Not awesome but definitely better than 380! At the track, stock again I ran a 14.1, once again not awesome, but I am brand new to this ****! If he is talking about the quad cab, I don't know, but I can't imagine that everyone else is wrong and he is right!! Just my 2 cents.

Hey, there are two quads on this forum that I know of that ran 1/4 in the 13.2 and 13.6 range. JohnH with cat back and CAI went 13.28 and mine went 13.64 (bone stock). It might be because they are both silver and we all agree that silver is the fastest color, but it might also be because who ever was driving for ROE can't drive. I can't tell you how many times I've gone to the track and seen cars that should be much quicker running slow times because the idiot behind the wheel has no idea how to drive.

Jax Ram

· #14 · Feb 9, 2005

John,

The phone conversation seems rather brutal. I'm glad I haven't had conversations like that. i've always had a good experience there.

I hope the guys at Roe were talking about a QC. They've got a 2004 Red SRT-10 Ram as a company test vehicle and they've been doing R&D work on a twin screw S/C setup on that truck. They've got two test tracks available nearby and their dyno appears to have all of the calibration tubes and cables hooked up.

In my experience they've been up front about upgrades and improvements vs cost. My stock numbers were 416 HP, and 438 ft lbs at the rear wheels. I've added a K&N, Magnaflow exhaust, and a VEC2. Numbers were 440/486 at that point. I've never taken it to the strip so I've got no point of reference. It has been fast enough for me so far. A new flywheel, clutch and S/C is in my future though.

They've provided a more aggressive tuning card and I'm installing a new set of MSD 8.5 mm wires. I'll see what it does when I go down there next time.

Mark

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TheOtherDodge

· #15 · Feb 9, 2005

Anyone who would make claims like that, I would run from...as fast as possible!

When I had a 2003 4 door Ram with a Hemi and 20" rims that was bone stock, except for a home made CAI and I went 15.18... If a truck with 155 more hp can't do better than that, there is a problem.

mauiSRT/10

· #16 · Feb 9, 2005

Something not right that guy. I have been to the track twice and did ten runs total and all but one miss shift run were between 14.0 and 14.3 .....thats with my sissy ass shifting like the truck was new

or something!!!!! I will be in the 13's as soon as I figure how to launch without tire spin for the first 60 feet!! Good luck doing business with the guy...

patrick

stinker

· #17 · Feb 9, 2005

Something just don't seem right , I've spoken with sean many times and never had anything like that, but everybody has an off day I guess. But hey maybe he got in the truck wrong and was driving with his feet and clutch and brake with his hands, because I thing my 14 year old eskimo spitz could do a high 13!

quoteszone

· #18 · Feb 9, 2005

Sorry I haven't posted my dyno runs yet, sick as a dog with asthma. Just out of curiousity, who did you speak to at Roe and when? EVERY time I've spoken to them they've underestimated power gains. And for the record, every dyno run I've performed at a shop local to me. None at Roe. My local shop BNO Performance has absolutely no incentive to modify or inflate my dyno runs on the behalf of another company. If I was you guys I'd call bs on my dyno claims based on me no posting yet, but worst case I'll have my assistant scan and post for me tomorrow. Roe racing's definately earned my respect.

Eric

johnj

Discussion Starter · #19 · Feb 10, 2005

.......

roe racing has great respect through the viper community...
the point to this thread was not to to bash roe... but to tell you what was told to me by one of the guys there and to get your responses.
From my perspective, i would hate to find out that i thought i was buying a low 13 second truck, but it turned out to be a 15.5 second truck.... if that were true, i'd go sell this truck.
since that info seemed odd to me, i decided to post it here to re-assure myself of what i bought.

B.Exxon

· #20 · Feb 10, 2005

i talked to roe racing today,said that conversation musta been misunderstood also seemed concerned about any negative responses. every time ive talked to them they've seemed very sincere in provideing acurate info .I was actually calling about aprx. time of S/C shipments and got into this conversation.......always seemed cool when i call them

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