[Vegas-viper-ram]

Had trouble starting my ram srt-10 for almost a week now. Took close to 3 tries to get it going to the point sometimes were I was afraid it wouldnt start, or I would wear down the battery trying to get it going. Took it to the local dealership here in Las Vegas so they can find out whats wrong. They called me about two days later (this is today) to tell me they cant find anything wrong. So I said ok then I want to see this with my own eyes because this had been BIG problem ALL week. I met the mechanic that looked at it, at the dealership and I said " ok.. I want to see you start this". Sure as hell , he started it NO problem 3 times in a row... hold on.. its gets stranger... REALLY strange. So at this point I think well "its one of those things where you hear a rattle, take it to the dealership, and well...you know". So I check out, dealership writes paperwork as nothing found.. "could not duplicate". I start to pull away from the dealership, and I notice RIGHT AWAY that the clutch is tighter, yet silkier and smoother (is "silkier" that a word).. than before. It used to be when I would pull away below 1500 rpm the tranny would grind REALLY bad, I tried to duplicate this all the way home (about 20 min), and couldnt. The tranny no longer does this, and it ALWAYS did this before. Now gears feel really tight and "notchy".. also I would always miss 3rd gear when fast shifting, it "pops" into 3rd now with NO PROBLEM. You know how you know your vehicle , and its quirky ways and "feel" and you just know when anything changes? I am quite sure I am getting lied to by Dodge , but I dont know why, as they didnt charge me , and my vehicle is under warranty. I am happy that these things are fixed, yet confused why I am getting lied to. It would not be a problem if there was a mechanical issue, and they warrantied it, and told me so. Any thoughts?

 

[QUICKSILVER]

"No Start Feature"

I think that the clutch has to be depressed all the way. Sounds like your clutch might have been out of adjustment, causing the problem w/starting the truck....... not-a-pro

 

[fstjack]

Lied to

Had trouble starting my ram srt-10 for almost a week now. Took close to 3 tries to get it going to the point sometimes were I was afraid it wouldnt start, or I would wear down the battery trying to get it going. Took it to the local dealership here in Las Vegas so they can find out whats wrong. They called me about two days later (this is today) to tell me they cant find anything wrong. So I said ok then I want to see this with my own eyes because this had been BIG problem ALL week. I met the mechanic that looked at it, at the dealership and I said " ok.. I want to see you start this". Sure as hell , he started it NO problem 3 times in a row... hold on.. its gets stranger... REALLY strange. So at this point I think well "its one of those things where you hear a rattle, take it to the dealership, and well...you know". So I check out, dealership writes paperwork as nothing found.. "could not duplicate". I start to pull away from the dealership, and I notice RIGHT AWAY that the clutch is tighter, yet silkier and smoother (is "silkier" that a word).. than before. It used to be when I would pull away below 1500 rpm the tranny would grind REALLY bad, I tried to duplicate this all the way home (about 20 min), and couldnt. The tranny no longer does this, and it ALWAYS did this before. Now gears feel really tight and "notchy".. also I would always miss 3rd gear when fast shifting, it "pops" into 3rd now with NO PROBLEM. You know how you know your vehicle , and its quirky ways and "feel" and you just know when anything changes? I am quite sure I am getting lied to by Dodge , but I dont know why, as they didnt charge me , and my vehicle is under warranty. I am happy that these things are fixed, yet confused why I am getting lied to. It would not be a problem if there was a mechanical issue, and they warrantied it, and told me so. Any thoughts?

Your getting lied to by Dodge the same way that I have been lied to since the cambolt recall on my truck. If DC admits to a problem then they might have to have a recall, or God forbid even fix it. Their main focus is to sell vehicles not service them, or try to listen to the customer to provide satisfaction. I have had several issues with DC since buying my truck. Their warranty is useless. Engine miss, oil leak, ect. IMHO. I have my motor out for repairs as I truly feel the warranty is not worth the paper it written on so I might as well get it repaired properly. I really love the SRT-10 truck. I know of at least one Ram SRT-10 owner who is in the process of having his truck "Lemoned back" to Dodge due to clutch issues. I will be towing my Dodge to the track with my old 1998 Ford truck. And when the Ford needs to be replaced it will not be with a Dodge, Mercedes or any other DC product. I like the Dodge truck and the Cummings Turbo Diesel. But I cannot in good consience by another Dodge. I was told by a Dodge customer service rep named Chris, that they are "not to talk to me anymore", as per management in Dodge the customer relations/service dept. This is a fortune 500 company that says they are going to cease communication at all levels with a customer. What an attitude. I have been in the Automobile business all my my life, Not only do I buy a fair amount of new vehicles, I also influence others on what they buy. I usually tell them to buy what they like, as most new cars and trucks today are very road worthy and longevity is not the issue it was even 10 years ago. In the case of DC I have nothing good to say based on my own experiance.
I have parked at my house,
Nissan maxima SE
VW New Beetle
Toytoa Tacoma EC SR5
Ford Expedition
Just sold a 98 Corvette.
The service and help I have gotten on all these vehicles has been wonderful. I purchased a 1997 C5 Corvette when it first came out, It had big problems and it eventually went back to Chevy as a Lemon. They had great communication at the factory and dealership level. They were honest and forthright with me. I liked the car, so I bought a 1998 just like the 1997. If I had been treated by Chevy like I have been treated by Dodge or DC I would not have purchased another car from them. I kept the second Corvette for almost 6 years. Great car!
Every time I go to a Dodge dealer I come out of experiance feeling like a piece of cr&p. The last time I was at the dealer for the engine miss, it was told to me to be "the normal cadance" of a V10 motor. The service writer heard it missing upon arrival. He agreed upon arrival that the engine was missing. When the tech could not find it with the scanner, it suddenly became "cadance". The Cylinder in question ran 275 degrees less in temperature at the exhaust manifold port to head. They will not talk about that.
DC and Dodge is ranked right up there with cell phone companies, lawyers and stock brockers.
If their lips are moving they are lying. IMHO................Jack

 

[SRT10x3]

Had trouble starting my ram srt-10 for almost a week now. Took close to 3 tries to get it going to the point sometimes were I was afraid it wouldnt start, or I would wear down the battery trying to get it under warranty. I am happy that these things are fixed, yet confused why I am getting lied to. It would not be a problem if there was a mechanical issue, and they warrantied it, and told me so. Any thoughts?

They probably in their course of diagnosing the problem, performed routine maintenance. Adjusted clutch, performed any recalls, flashed your PCM to save your clutch, and other things that make the vehicle less prone to needing service in the future. Go back to the dealer that did the service and ask the tech point blank what he did..

Craig

 

[Vegas-viper-ram]

just drove it more..

just drove it some more. Tranny has NEVER worked so well..it shifts like silk!
BUT I still think this "starter" problem is lurking. Took 2 tries to fire this time not 3 or 4. Usually worse when cold. I think they are shooting in the dark as one time when it wouldnt start , it actually backfired! So that makes me think NOT a tranny/clutch issue. I think they are trying to aviod a "lemon law" issue. By saying it never happend, they have 3 more cracks at it. Yes I do love my truck , but I have lost faith in Dodge, and dont feel they are being 100% honest.

 

[Hemi57]

funny. my dodge dealer is perfect. They will even pull my truck up on the lift close to the windows so i can see whats going on with it, and they will ask me what all i want done

 

[fstjack]

funny. my dodge dealer is perfect. They will even pull my truck up on the lift close to the windows so i can see whats going on with it, and they will ask me what all i want done

Do you have an SRT-10?

 

[stinker]

Boy you guys need to move away from the west side. On the east side hell I walk back while thy're working on mine. I worked as a tech for chevy for about 7 years and never complained when someone asked about there vehicle. And there was alot of times that a tech will go thru the procedures in the book and perform certain test, which would include checking the clutch switch. So going thru the test if he inadvertantly moved it,that could have started it working again therefore he actually found no problem. Before you loose faithe go back and politely ask the tech, he puts his draws on just like you, just doesn't make near the money, and works twice as hard,if ya want to get even further, then compliment him somehow. Our dealers around here have bent over backwards when you're nice, I even got a small peice of trim replaced because of light discoloration.

 

[Hemi57]

Do you have an SRT-10?

no, but SRT-10 or not, the dealer should be absolutely perfect to you.

 

[fstjack]

Don't need to move!

Boy you guys need to move away from the west side. On the east side hell I walk back while thy're working on mine. I worked as a tech for chevy for about 7 years and never complained when someone asked about there vehicle. And there was alot of times that a tech will go thru the procedures in the book and perform certain test, which would include checking the clutch switch. So going thru the test if he inadvertantly moved it,that could have started it working again therefore he actually found no problem. Before you loose faithe go back and politely ask the tech, he puts his draws on just like you, just doesn't make near the money, and works twice as hard,if ya want to get even further, then compliment him somehow. Our dealers around here have bent over backwards when you're nice, I even got a small peice of trim replaced because of light discoloration.

If you read my previous post you will see that I stated that I have had great experiances with other brands of vehicles. My relationship (and the key work here is relationship) with all the people in my life is very important to me. That does not change regarding the station of the person or persons I am dealing with. I started out with $2300.00 to go into business in 1969 at age 22. I retired at age 47 in 1995 and that was possible due to treating people with dignity and respect. And a lot of hard work. I was in the Vehicle service and repair business untill I retired. Today it is my standard practice to tip the tech that works on my vehicle under warranty, a minimum of $20.00 and if more than an hour is required it goes to $20.00 per hour, as they do not get paid a lot. But I do expect a competent level of diagnostic ability and craftsmanship. I also do not like being lied to, which has happened frequently at Dodge dealerships.
I hate to feel like a mushroom, (left in the dark and covered with Sh?t). I have a great repore with most of the service people that I deal with as you can get much more done with courtesy and respect than harshness and demands. I try to treat people the way I myself would like to be treated. I do not have a problem with most of the tecks. The problems are that what the teck wants to do is vetoed higher up. And then here comes a BS story that the problem cannot be duplicated. Or there is no problem as the scanner says so. That is why I have given up on Dodge's warranty. It is just easier to get the problem corrected than to deal with the Dodge dealer. I really believe that is what they want. They make the frustration level so high that some of us will give up and go away. Well in my case they won. I will fix my own miss, my own oil leak, my own lack of throttle response and low HP problem. I am fortunate I am in a position to do this. I however feel for the owner that does not have the resources to do it this way. The leak is at the cam at the back of the block. I am just dissapointed in being treated in what I perceive to be a shabby fashion. But that is my perception so it is my problem. And being my problem I will pay to have these things corrected. I do however have a choice in how I will spend my transportation/Toy dollars. I will go back to where I was treated well. Dodge is making some great vehicles that I am really interested in, such as the SRT-8. Great design, good power to weight ratio, priced well. My wife likes the Crossfire conv. I at this point cannot even consider one of these beacuse of my experience with Dodge/DC. Dodge won, I will go away. I am 57 now and expect to live at least another 20 years. Between my wife, myself, and my kids, I personally will buy at least 10 more new vehicles in my lifetime and they will not be Dodge or DC products. In the past 7 years I have purchased 7 new vehicles at an average cost of $39285.00. So based on past history and current prices I will be spending $392850.00 on cars and trucks. This I am sure has no meaning to Dodge or DC. It might to Ford, GM or some of the other imports would like to have my business. For in the past they have at least acted like they care and want my business. And they will get it. The take the money and run attitude may be left over from the days when Chrysler was always on the verge of being bankrupt. I still love the SRT-10 truck. Just my opinion............Jack

 

[Vegas-viper-ram]

Its almost like I wrote the last message... you sound ALOT like myself jack. I too have been in business since my early 20's. I have a VERY strong business ethics, and sometimes honest to an extreme ,even when I lose $$$ with my customers. I have owned a computer repair store for the last 9 years. I DO tell a customer what the problem is weather its in my favor or not. So, yes it does rub me the wrong way when I feel I am getting lied to, or "left oin the dark" should I say. I certainly DONT expect that from a multi-bilion dollar corp like DC. I have told the dealership since day one that I dont believe this truck is putting out all the power I think it should be . I drove a 2000 L for 4 years that seemed SOO much more powerful (360HP). BONE stock 100%. NO I am NOT a ford or Dodge fan. Could care less. Jack, I am one of those guys thats not in a position to fix my own problems with the truck , and am at the dealerships mercy, and trust what they say, because I probably know the least on this board than anyone about cars I wonder how the whole recall thing works anyway. I mean even if Dodge get a bunch of the same vehicle with the same problem , and they are pretty sure its a candidate for a recall , does that mean they must recall , or is it at Dodges discretion/interest? Does someone audit the books, is that maybe why they are "keeping the repairs down"?? Anyone?

PS: My wife likes the Crossfire too

 

[stinker]

Well i'm glad I'm not having ya'lls problems and sound like ya'll got plenty. I must have a special dealer that just goes out of his way for me special. But I wish all of you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope your tension headaches go away. I'm just glad I don't have any, tommorow I'll get in my tractor and trailor, pull out, know that my vehicles are safe, ride around see the country ,make some deliveries , a little money, come back, pull something out of the stable and ride around some more, for me life is good, good women, good dogs, good vehicles, good dealerships. So good luck to you and hopefully today your life will get just one inch better for no reason, just will.

 

[fstjack]

Quality problems

Well i'm glad I'm not having ya'lls problems and sound like ya'll got plenty. I must have a special dealer that just goes out of his way for me special. But I wish all of you the best of luck in your endeavors and hope your tension headaches go away. I'm just glad I don't have any, tommorow I'll get in my tractor and trailor, pull out, know that my vehicles are safe, ride around see the country ,make some deliveries , a little money, come back, pull something out of the stable and ride around some more, for me life is good, good women, good dogs, good vehicles, good dealerships. So good luck to you and hopefully today your life will get just one inch better for no reason, just will.

Thanks for the good wishes. It is Ok the way it is. I have real Quality problems and the only real problem is when I forget how very blessed in life I really am. I must always remember that my needs have always been met it is my wants and expectations that get me in trouble. It is not the destination but the journey that is really important. Thanks for the reminder. Be safe on your journey...................Jack

 

[Dallas]

Jack...

If you read my previous post you will see that I stated that I have had great experiances with other brands of vehicles. My relationship (and the key work here is relationship) with all the people in my life is very important to me. That does not change regarding the station of the person or persons I am dealing with. I started out with $2300.00 to go into business in 1969 at age 22. I retired at age 47 in 1995 and that was possible due to treating people with dignity and respect. And a lot of hard work. I was in the Vehicle service and repair business untill I retired. Today it is my standard practice to tip the tech that works on my vehicle under warranty, a minimum of $20.00 and if more than an hour is required it goes to $20.00 per hour, as they do not get paid a lot. But I do expect a competent level of diagnostic ability and craftsmanship. I also do not like being lied to, which has happened frequently at Dodge dealerships.
I hate to feel like a mushroom, (left in the dark and covered with Sh?t). I have a great repore with most of the service people that I deal with as you can get much more done with courtesy and respect than harshness and demands. I try to treat people the way I myself would like to be treated. I do not have a problem with most of the tecks. The problems are that what the teck wants to do is vetoed higher up. And then here comes a BS story that the problem cannot be duplicated. Or there is no problem as the scanner says so. That is why I have given up on Dodge's warranty. It is just easier to get the problem corrected than to deal with the Dodge dealer. I really believe that is what they want. They make the frustration level so high that some of us will give up and go away. Well in my case they won. I will fix my own miss, my own oil leak, my own lack of throttle response and low HP problem. I am fortunate I am in a position to do this. I however feel for the owner that does not have the resources to do it this way. The leak is at the cam at the back of the block. I am just dissapointed in being treated in what I perceive to be a shabby fashion. But that is my perception so it is my problem. And being my problem I will pay to have these things corrected. I do however have a choice in how I will spend my transportation/Toy dollars. I will go back to where I was treated well. Dodge is making some great vehicles that I am really interested in, such as the SRT-8. Great design, good power to weight ratio, priced well. My wife likes the Crossfire conv. I at this point cannot even consider one of these beacuse of my experience with Dodge/DC. Dodge won, I will go away. I am 57 now and expect to live at least another 20 years. Between my wife, myself, and my kids, I personally will buy at least 10 more new vehicles in my lifetime and they will not be Dodge or DC products. In the past 7 years I have purchased 7 new vehicles at an average cost of $39285.00. So based on past history and current prices I will be spending $392850.00 on cars and trucks. This I am sure has no meaning to Dodge or DC. It might to Ford, GM or some of the other imports would like to have my business. For in the past they have at least acted like they care and want my business. And they will get it. The take the money and run attitude may be left over from the days when Chrysler was always on the verge of being bankrupt. I still love the SRT-10 truck. Just my opinion............Jack

I'd say that Dodge better listen up...or at least peruse this site and sites like this to see what people are saying about their product. So far I haven't had any problems with my SRT-10. It is only about 6 weeks old now with about 1400 miles on it. I haven't even had to take it in for the minutest squeak, whereas other vehicles i have had, i have had to take them in for a rattle here or there...
Dodge better listen or their market share just might go down the drain...

Dallas

 

[Dallas]

And another thing...

Your getting lied to by Dodge the same way that I have been lied to since the cambolt recall on my truck. If DC admits to a problem then they might have to have a recall, or God forbid even fix it. Their main focus is to sell vehicles not service them, or try to listen to the customer to provide satisfaction. I have had several issues with DC since buying my truck. Their warranty is useless. Engine miss, oil leak, ect. IMHO. I have my motor out for repairs as I truly feel the warranty is not worth the paper it written on so I might as well get it repaired properly. I really love the SRT-10 truck. I know of at least one Ram SRT-10 owner who is in the process of having his truck "Lemoned back" to Dodge due to clutch issues. I will be towing my Dodge to the track with my old 1998 Ford truck. And when the Ford needs to be replaced it will not be with a Dodge, Mercedes or any other DC product. I like the Dodge truck and the Cummings Turbo Diesel. But I cannot in good consience by another Dodge. I was told by a Dodge customer service rep named Chris, that they are "not to talk to me anymore", as per management in Dodge the customer relations/service dept. This is a fortune 500 company that says they are going to cease communication at all levels with a customer. What an attitude. I have been in the Automobile business all my my life, Not only do I buy a fair amount of new vehicles, I also influence others on what they buy. I usually tell them to buy what they like, as most new cars and trucks today are very road worthy and longevity is not the issue it was even 10 years ago. In the case of DC I have nothing good to say based on my own experiance.
I have parked at my house,
Nissan maxima SE
VW New Beetle
Toytoa Tacoma EC SR5
Ford Expedition
Just sold a 98 Corvette.
The service and help I have gotten on all these vehicles has been wonderful. I purchased a 1997 C5 Corvette when it first came out, It had big problems and it eventually went back to Chevy as a Lemon. They had great communication at the factory and dealership level. They were honest and forthright with me. I liked the car, so I bought a 1998 just like the 1997. If I had been treated by Chevy like I have been treated by Dodge or DC I would not have purchased another car from them. I kept the second Corvette for almost 6 years. Great car!
Every time I go to a Dodge dealer I come out of experiance feeling like a piece of cr&p. The last time I was at the dealer for the engine miss, it was told to me to be "the normal cadance" of a V10 motor. The service writer heard it missing upon arrival. He agreed upon arrival that the engine was missing. When the tech could not find it with the scanner, it suddenly became "cadance". The Cylinder in question ran 275 degrees less in temperature at the exhaust manifold port to head. They will not talk about that.
DC and Dodge is ranked right up there with cell phone companies, lawyers and stock brockers.
If their lips are moving they are lying. IMHO................Jack

And I thought that is why we go to the Auto Dealers for repair,,,so that we DON'T get lied to. Sure people have said, you'll pay more, but I say, I don't have to bring it back several times because of technician guess work..ok maybe i am naive...supposedly they have the proper training, AST certified, up to date skills for maintaining our vehicles...

Can't stand technicians that don't tell the truth or 'stretch' the truth..

Dallas

 

[stinker]

I know exactly what ya'll are talking about. When I was a chevy tech I was ASE master, cct tech so-on, and when I worked on peoples vehicles I treated them as my own. The reason I left , was all the new kids coming in didn't care a hill of beans about peoples vehicles , just getting the job done and making the $. I had trusted people that ask just for me from a 67 vette with 18,000 original , to a geo metro belive it or not, just because I talked truth to them. Too bad the old saying "he comes from good people" just may not aplly to some of the new techs in the world. Too much pressure is put on the almighty $, we must all have more. Nobody stops anymore to look at the scenery. And their is nothing called a speed limit anymore, even in rural areas. People are wizzing by their life, and not stopping to enjoy things, fearing someone else will outdo them. But back to the subject, if dealers do not treat their customers with upmost respect, then they shall not get the return that they should get, or do they?

Didn't mean to go a bing their guys, just and insight.

 

[Dallas]

yep Stinker...

I know exactly what ya'll are talking about. When I was a chevy tech I was ASE master, cct tech so-on, and when I worked on peoples vehicles I treated them as my own. The reason I left , was all the new kids coming in didn't care a hill of beans about peoples vehicles , just getting the job done and making the $. I had trusted people that ask just for me from a 67 vette with 18,000 original , to a geo metro belive it or not, just because I talked truth to them. Too bad the old saying "he comes from good people" just may not aplly to some of the new techs in the world. Too much pressure is put on the almighty $, we must all have more. Nobody stops anymore to look at the scenery. And their is nothing called a speed limit anymore, even in rural areas. People are wizzing by their life, and not stopping to enjoy things, fearing someone else will outdo them. But back to the subject, if dealers do not treat their customers with upmost respect, then they shall not get the return that they should get, or do they?

Didn't mean to go a bing their guys, just and insight.

I want to have trust in the service tech's these days....especially with a hawt rod like the SRT-10...it is not just any ole' vehicle...it is an SRT-10! similar to what **** Jagger says, We're not just a rock band, we're the STONES man!

 

[Wikdsvt]

DC and Dodge is ranked right up there with cell phone companies, lawyers and stock brockers.
If their lips are moving they are lying. IMHO................Jack

Hey.. I resent that statement!

 

[Droopy]

WOW. You guys get down and dirty! I haven't had ANY problems with any of the Dodges I've owned. And I'm very anal about my vehicles! Great dealer with no problems of any kind. Guess I just lucky or too stupid to realize I'm being lied to. I've always had problems with GM. Of the last 5 vehicles from GM 3 were crap including a return under the lemon law (Olds Bravada). The other 2 were built by Toyota for GM and never had a problem.

 

[fstjack]

About recalls

Its almost like I wrote the last message... you sound ALOT like myself jack. I too have been in business since my early 20's. I have a VERY strong business ethics, and sometimes honest to an extreme ,even when I lose $$$ with my customers. I have owned a computer repair store for the last 9 years. I DO tell a customer what the problem is weather its in my favor or not. So, yes it does rub me the wrong way when I feel I am getting lied to, or "left oin the dark" should I say. I certainly DONT expect that from a multi-bilion dollar corp like DC. I have told the dealership since day one that I dont believe this truck is putting out all the power I think it should be . I drove a 2000 L for 4 years that seemed SOO much more powerful (360HP). BONE stock 100%. NO I am NOT a ford or Dodge fan. Could care less. Jack, I am one of those guys thats not in a position to fix my own problems with the truck , and am at the dealerships mercy, and trust what they say, because I probably know the least on this board than anyone about cars I wonder how the whole recall thing works anyway. I mean even if Dodge get a bunch of the same vehicle with the same problem , and they are pretty sure its a candidate for a recall , does that mean they must recall , or is it at Dodges discretion/interest? Does someone audit the books, is that maybe why they are "keeping the repairs down"?? Anyone?

PS: My wife likes the Crossfire too

There are different types of recalls but most the frequent recall is one that involves a safety related issue, and we are mandated to be notified by law. These recalls are over seen by the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board). There are emmision related recalls regarding emission components or systems that have failed or do not meet longevity parimaters. There are other types of recalls involving such things as undelivered horsepower. Ford experianced this with their 1999 mustang Cobra. It did not deliver the advertised horsepower. There were enough owners that raised a stink about the lower than advertised power that Ford recalled the entire lot of cars for replacement of the after cat exhaust system, Extrude honing (Modern day and expensive solution for porting things that cannot be easily accesed) of the intake manifold, and a reprogram of the computer. There were some other smaller items that Ford also took care of at this time. The situation was taken care of and Mustang continues to be player in the pony and muscle car market. Ford learned that it pays to deliver what you are promising. They however did not start with the we are going to fix it attitude. There was enough pressure and threat of lawsuits and negative publicity generated that they became embarrased and decided to correct the problem. Dodge may in my opinion soon to be faced with a similar situation with the Ram SRT-10. Mine Dynoed at 406 RWHP stock and with a correction of 20% for drive train losses that equates to 487 Hp. The 20% number is very generous as most experts agree that a 16% to 18% loss through our type of drive train is closer to reality. At 18% loss that is only 479 HP. When I originally took delivery of my truck in March it ran very good. After the camahaft recall the throttle response and power had noticably decreased. My opinion is that the timing curve was slowed way down. And the Air fuel mixture is excessivley rich (this is confirmed by my Innovate Motorsports LM1 wideband air fuel reader and logger). In my opinion Dodge was having clutch problems show up and the slow spark curve and rich fuel mixture were implimented to help save the clutch. I do not know about Dodges motives for certain and this is my opinion on the situation. I have seen and heard of dyno results from early and later production vehicles and there seems to be a distinct differance. I have heard of recent dyno results of RWHP being below 400. I cannot confirm this myself as the information was obtained second hand. I would be interested to hear the dyno results of anyone that has had a dyno test done. Dodges attitude with regard to my situation was totally unsatisfactory. My dyno results are not acceptable to them, yet they say that they have no dyno facility to test the truck. Their factory rep says he drove it and it was OK. I had to get this information second hand through the dealer as the factory Rep would not return my phone calls. If the truck had not run so well when I took delivery of it I probably would not know the difference. But when you know something to be true and factual it is hard to be convinced otherwise. That is my opinion..........................Jack

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